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[Pera Detlic]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Jel neko gledao film? Ako jeste koji su utisci, a ako nije, obavezno neka skine sa gorepomenutog sajta. Ako treba nekome prevod, a verujte mi MNOGO je lakse sa prevodom http://www.podnapisi.net/index.php/ppodnap...wnload?i=245164

[milija]

Ja sam na raznim warez forumima cuo kako je ovo kao najkontroverzniji film tipa zasto Jevreji 11. 9. 2001. nisu dosli na posao...

Iskreno najlakse je verovati u teorije zavera... Mada nisam odlgedao film da bih pricao o njemu.

[Iva]

Pogledaj obavezno, to ti je moj savet od srca. (I'll burn in hell because of this )

Nego, Pero, jako me zanima zašto si baš sad otvorio ovaj topic? Mislim, zašto ne npr. prekjuče ili tako?


P.S.
Što se kontroverzije tiče, obrisali su mu stranicu sa Wikipedie.. mislim, film ti govori kako su sve religije manipulacija i tako to.

This post has been edited by Iva: Dec 7 2007, 09:47 AM

[Kuzman]

Ja odgledao prekujce.
Ono za isusa sam od vise osoba cuo i moguce je da jeste tako. To cu da malo prokopam, da potrazim.
OStatak, najlakse je smisliti teoriju zavere. Mada ima i stvari koje su sasvim zapanjujuce(sistem koji je sluzio za odbranu od stvari kao 911 je u vezbama svaki put uspesno odradio, a BAS TOG dana nije).
Vredelo je pogledati svakako!

[Pera Detlic]

Nego, Pero, jako me zanima zašto si baš sad otvorio ovaj topic? Mislim, zašto ne npr. prekjuče ili tako?

Zbog spoljasnjih uticaja

[Iva]

Zbog spoljasnjih uticaja

[c1k4_ml3kc3]

Subject: FW: number11

Amazing! Do exercise at end

This is SO weird!!!!

THIS IS REALLY FREAKY!

1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy
the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.

This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:

1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5=11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9+1+1=11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9+1+1=11.
Sheer coincidence..?!

Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2+5+4=11.
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2+5+4=11.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3+1+1+2+4 =11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.

Now this is where things get totally eerie:

The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

''For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allahand lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

Still unconvinced about all of this..?!

Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:

Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to WINGDINGS

What do you think now..?!

[Hannibal Lecter]

ok, ovo me podseca na ono 'tose i broj 26'

[^_NiN0_^]

Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:

Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to WINGDINGS

What do you think now..?!

E ovo je sick ... mada mozda je WORD nastao posle udara

[pyost]

The continued recurrence of the number eleven in relation to 9/11 may seem to have some weird relevance at first glance. However, it is easy to manipulate the details of an event so that an apparent numerical pattern emerges. There are many other 9/11 elements that have no relation to the number 11. For example, "World Trade Center", "Twin Towers", "Osama Bin Laden", "American Airlines," "United Airlines" and a great many other 9/11 related items do not add up to the number eleven. In fact, hundreds of items could be legitimately included on such a list, the majority of which have no "eleven" connection. In other words, the person who created this "elevens" list carefully chose only those 9/11 related items that fit the pattern and discarded all others.

Furthermore, the hoaxster is apparently quite willing to bend the truth to fit the story. Flight 77 was carrying 64 people not 65 as claimed in the email. The message also claims that Flight 77 hit the Twin Towers. However, Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, not the World Trade Center.

The second part of the message claims that Chapter 9 Verse 11 (9.11) of the Islamic holy book the Quran contains a startling prophecy presumably related to the US invasion of Iraq. However, research indicates that the quoted verse does not appear in the Quran at all. Chapter 9 Verse 11 of the Quran is concerned with repentance and charity.

The final part of this hoax email claims that changing "Q33 NY" to the Wingdings symbol font in Microsoft Word will reveal a hidden message directly related to the 9/11 attack on the twin towers.

Certainly, this combination of symbols is likely to make even the most cynical readers do a double take when they first observe it. However, a minimal amount of research reveals that the Wingdings claim is based on an outrageous lie and therefore has no validity what so ever. None of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks had the flight number "Q33 NY". The flight numbers of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers were in fact "11" and "175". Clearly, someone has simply made up this supposed flight number in an attempt to make the spurious claim seem valid. In an absurd twist, the current version of the hoax actually contradicts itself. One part of the message states, "The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11." Later in the same message it states "Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers."

Some have claimed that "Q33 NY" was actually the tail or registration number of one of the planes. However, this is also untrue. The actual tail number of Flight 11 was "N334AA". Nor did any of the other hijacked aircraft have the registration number "Q33 NY" (see Data Table below). Searches of the Federal Aviation Administration website afforded no results for "Q33 NY". In fact, most civil aircraft registrations in the United States start with the letter "N" and nationality and registration markings are commonly referred to as "N-Numbers".

Flight and tail numbers aside, the Star of David in the Wingdings "message" has little relevance to 9/11 since the attacks were not perpetrated by or directed at those of Jewish faith.

Toliko o tome

[^_NiN0_^]

Partybrejkeru

[smorko_gusic]

valjda je svima jasno da je ono sa brojem 11 samo fora (lepo je obljasnjeno u onim citatima u pyostovom postu), ali ja sam sasvim spreman da poverujem u skoro sve stvari o kojima se govori u zeitgeistu.
Doduse ja sam mislio da je to tako i pre nego sto sam video film.
Znaci ko nije gledao obavezno neka pogleda, stvarno je zanimljivo.
Jedino mi se nesvidja stobaca onako lose svetlo na religiju, koju (za razliku od crkve) ne smatram tako losom stvari.


P.S. Nije me bilo mesec dana na forumu, i skoro sve iste teme su aktuelne, uzas!

This post has been edited by smorko_gusic: Dec 9 2007, 11:27 PM

[Kuzman]

Ako mene pitas crkva i religija su ista stvar, a vera sasvim druga.
I crkva i religija rade isto ono sot je opisano u filmu.

[Pera Detlic]

Dobro, tvoj avatar dovoljno govori koju ti religiju podrzavas
ili ti tu samo ispitujes matematicko klatno?

This post has been edited by Pera Detlic: Dec 10 2007, 07:46 PM

[Kuzman]

Klatno ofkors Ja inace nisam vernik. To sto neko veruje postujem, ali religiju ne.
A i ti ne rece koji je tvoj utisak?

[smorko_gusic]

Kako ja vidim stvari religija je uopstenje vere i predstavlja ideju te nikako ne moze da bude isto sto i crkva jer crkva je institucija

A posto je religija ideja ne moze da radi nista

This post has been edited by smorko_gusic: Dec 10 2007, 08:21 PM

[Kuzman]

Imas pravo, pogresno sam rekao.
Religija je orudje koje su ljudi zeljni moci i kontrole na drugima (aka svestenici), zasnovano na mitovima i lazima. Namenjeno je ljudima koji ne razmisljaju kriticki, koji nisu u stanju ili ne zele da shvate prirodu kakva je pa je opisuju visom silom.
Nesto sto nije napravljeno sa dobrom namerom, od strane losih ljudi, ne moze biti dobro. Da religija samostalno ne moze nis da uradi jer je orudje, ali nije ni napravljena da sama cini nesto.


I da se ogradim, ne kazem da su svi svestenici losi ljudi, ali svi koje sam ja sreo su svako moje pitanje o nemogucim stvarima o kojima religija prica ili ignorisali ili otpisali kao bogohuljenje.

This post has been edited by Kuzman: Dec 10 2007, 09:48 PM

[Nostradamus]

Uglavnom se slazem za ovo sto si rekao za religiju, samo ne mislim da su je napravili losi ljudi, vec da su je oni zloupotrebili (sto bi sociolog rekao sve sto je moglo da se zloupotrebi - zloupotrebilo se). Kao drugo religija ti nije pravljena sa losom namerom. Ako bi nekog hteo da ubedis da je lose ubijati, lakse je reci da ce otici u pakao (ili nesto slicno), nego da mu objasnjavas da to nije moralno, i ne moze se reci da si imao losu nameru. Po meni najveci problem svake religije su fanatici

[Pera Detlic]

A i ti ne rece koji je tvoj utisak?

Pa pazi, sto se tice religije, to je bilo zloupotrebljivano odvajkada i zloupotrebljava se i dan danas, ali sve o tome ste uglavnom rekli A i misljenja sam da je religija u principu dobra stvar, cija je prakticna namena i bila da kontrolise neobrazovane i poluobrazovane mase. I biblija je knjiga koja sama po sebi ima veliku vrednost, ali nazalost, vecina ljudi bibliju shvata bukvalno, a ne kao metaforu i takvima se i manipulise. Mada, i anarhija je odlicna stvar kad bi ljudi bili svi posteni i normalni
Sto se tice drugog dela filma, ocigledno je da je 9/11 podmetnut, pogotovo sto im se desio onaj bag sa zgradom koja je pala sama od sebe. Sve da bi napali Irak. I mislim da ce uskoro da napadnu i Iran, a ovaj Ahmadinezad je americki sluzbenik koji je dosao da popali radikalne islamiste, kao i da se kurci pred amerikom, da bi ovi imali izgovor da napadnu.

[Iva]

i anarhija je odlicna stvar kad bi ljudi bili svi posteni i normalni

Potpis.